2NT enquiry: 'Ogust' (USA) aka 'Blue Club responses' (UK) | |
2NT asks opener to describe Points and Quality - remembered as 'p before q'. This works best with
strict six card suits but can be modified for 5 card weak twos as below
Many in Britain met the 2NT "p/q" method first in Garozzo and Yallouze's exposition of their Blue Club {Faber:1969 ISBN 0-571-09265-9}. The Italians don't attribute the idea, but it seems likely that Harold Ogust, who played in USA in the 50's was the originator. Yanks never attribute ideas either ;))! |
A simple 2NT alternative | |
Alan Frank wrote reminding me of the method the late great Terence Reese used to recommend. 2NT asking for a side suit feature if not minimum. Alan plays an artificial 3 relay as alternative Ogust (presumably joining the min/max and max/min responses). It strikes me that you might run into problems over 2 and a moved down 2 for ?feature, 2NT=Ogust might work better. It depends how much you are willing to remember. Over 2 you need an artificial 2NT to show the spade guard below 3. They are quite a few other workable combinations but this style can be useful if you identify a double fit. Se also Paul Baker's methods below. |
R.O.N.F | |
RONF is an ACBL territory acronym for Raise Only Non-Forcing, implying that both 2NT and a new suit take out cannot be passed. Clearly a useful and simple agreement with a new or pick-up partner. One assumes this doesn't apply to bids of four in the other major? I don't know. |
A suit response method (Paul Baker) | |
The bid invites support. You raise or show a splinter with 3 cards, and rebid your own suit or 3NT naturally
eg 2 - 3
Paul plays this with my ex-partner Julian Merrill alongside Ogust, giving a choice of contructive auctions. |
Kernsy - asking for shortage | |
Walter Kerns is a Washington (USA) player who seems to do well in bidding competitions. Walter sent me with his splinter
based enquiry style which he calls "Kernsy". There is much more to his style which involves sound, disciplined weak twos
and mainly non forcing responses. A nice example of how methods can be integrated toward a clear goal.
In Kernsy 2NT has special use and asks for partner to cue a shortage (singleton or void). Intervention is specifically allowed for. Double of an overcall replaceds the cue bid. Any action in a contested auction over 3 of opener's suit shows good values. I personally feel that while this nicely sorts out control of the cue-bid suit, it doesn't help that much with evaluation - the ruff will taken in the long hand. One can judge that any side values opener might hold will be in the other suits, but being a weak two - they might not be there! Sadly Walter doesn't have a site to link to, but Googling the name I found Icelandic international Heiðar Sigurjónsson's site (careful, main pages in Runic!) with a more or less complete system. So it definitely works. Or compare Rodney Lighton's method below for a less specific approach. |
September -a modified Ogust |
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Jeff Goldsmith argues that losing count is the thing with these hands as one is generally bidding up a fit. He uses the 2NT relay as follows (playing 'loose' weak twos). 2 - 2NT?
But suggests a finer division using 'return to trump suit' as weakness 2 - 2NT?
Obviouly a similar structure for 2 although 2 might be tricky! Personally I might work this further to include splinters, and perhaps a 3NT for the running suit and balanced type. After all, this would commonly be very constructive auction and could lead to slam. There is more discussion in Jeff's home.page under An Ogust Variation. This style is obvious when you think of it, and my thanks to John Mayne for pointing it out to me |
Another Ogust variant | |
Suggested by correspondent Rodney Lighton
2 - 2 asks for
New suit (F) askes opener to show strength and honour location, responder will bid the lowest suit in which a fitting honour would be useful. 2NT over 2 is 'new suit' in Spades. With a minimum opener rebids 3 of the major suit opened. With a maximum opener shows any useful honour card by bidding the suit (below the 3 level of the suit opened) or by raising the response. Comment: A little complicated and Rodney admits he has not played this at the table. However it strikes me as useful to have both long and short suit trial bids available. Paul Baker's method and Undiciplined Reponses implement some similar features. |
Undisciplined Responses | |
New suit - Asking for stopper or support
- eg 2 - 2
From a rec.games.bridge posting (source lost) slightly modified {CJR}
This always works for 3NT - the worst stopper enquiry case is 2 - 3?;
(The Warwick University system below could be substituted)
eg 2 - 4 .. Step responses except NT = {guarded king}
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Warwick (University) style responses | |
After a freestyle weak major two - 2NT? ...
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Richard Pavlicek responses - version 1 | |
After a freestyle weak major two Richard Pavlicek's 2NT
enquiry always has invitational+ values ...
As in Warwick Richard's new suits are non forcing, but constructive. |
Richard Pavlicek responses -version 2 | |
Peter Matthews wrote to me on an ethics matter. As an aside he claims to have played Pavlicek
responses opposite "sound weak twos" for some 25 years. But his version is quite different!
A sound style obviates need for Ogust style power enquiry. The method can therefore be wholly constructive.
One can ask three basic questions.
So - following a "sound" 2
Following a "sound" 2
The method is nearly compete, but as usual sacrifices the poor old club suit. However that's not usually critical, once you start with pre-empts. If you decide to play this I'd tend to agree 4 as a slam try in clubs. |
EHAA methods | |||||||||||||||||
Thomas Andrews wrote in: In the first book on EHAA just published,
they list their responses to
the wide-open weak twos (any 5+-card 6-12 points, including 2 openers.) I refer
to the responses as the "Guess" system:
Responding to this critique, EHAA guru/co-author Eric Landau says: I don't know where "Guess" originated either (probably Mr. Andrews' own term), but it's not misdescriptive in some cases. Mr. Andrews' example, however, is somewhat misguided; I can't imagine an EHAA pair ever having the auction he gives. He's right insofar as responder to 2H holding an invitational-strength hand that wants to play in spades regardless of opener's hand has no descriptive action and must guess what to do, but the normal thing to do would be to guess immediately between 2S and 4S (both to play), not to bid 2NT and risk playing there. Comment: I think interested readers might do well to buy the EHAA book and judge for themselves. Some in the UK would term this the "Landy Game try" - you bid game and then try and make it! Every Hand An Adventure - Devyn Press (USA) 1996, ISBN 0-939460-61-0
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